Posted by: inforodeo | October 16, 2008

McCain “Won” The Final Debate

It must be embarrassing for a lawyer to lose a debate against a former POW.  McCain finally called Obama on his juvenile ad hominem debate tactic (punctuating each response with “George Bush”), turning to him and saying “I AM NOT PRESIDENT BUSH. If you want to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.  I’m going to give new direction to this economy and this country.”

McCain also pointed out Obama’s affiliation with Bill Ayers, co-founder of the radical leftist terrorist organization, the “Weather Underground” which bombed public buildings in the 1960’s and 1970’s.  

In 1969, Ayers himself planted a bomb that blew up a statue dedicated to police casualties in the Haymarket Riot (1886), shattering nearly 100 windows and hurling pieces onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway. After the statue was rebuilt with a replica, the Weathermen blew it up again in 1970. Later in 1970, Ayers and several fellow WU terrorists ‘went underground’ after the Greenwich Village Townhouse Explosion which killed Ted Gold, Ayer’s close friend and roommate Terry Robbins, and Ayer’s girlfriend Diana Oughton while they were making a bomb. Ayers participated in the bombings of the NYC Police headquarters later in 1970, bombed the U.S. Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, becoming one of the most prolific domestic terrorists of the time. Charges against Ayers and other Weathermen were dropped in 1976 and 77 because of “prosecutional misconduct” (prosecution didn’t follow the right procedure with some evidence so everything was thrown out, despite Ayer’s greatly detailed admissions in his autobiographical work “Fugitive days: A Memoir” and in interviews.
Ayers claims “we weren’t terrorists … because we did not commit random acts of terror against people”, as if committing planned violent acts to shock, frighten, and otherwise draw attention to their ’cause’ justifies their bombings of government buildings, but these claims followed the 9/11 attacks, and immediately prior to the attacks Ayers had professed “no regrets” and that he’d “do it again” in his book and some of the promotional interviews, including one with the New York Times that was published the morning of September 11, 2001, and due to the coincidence has probably attracted more gravity than it might have otherwise.
Ayers is also affiliated with the Annenberg Challenge (see my prior post about how this fits in with the financial control and mass-marketing of the Democratic party), which is where his close affiliation with Obama comes into the picture. Both Obama and Ayers served as chairs of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge – an organization that provides money and support to other leftist organizations. Not surprisingly, in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs of that time (1995) as well as in the past as “radical, leftist, and communist with a small ‘c”, and continued “the ethics of Communism still appeal to me.” Ayer’s and the WU also pushed for a radical reformation of sexual relations under the slogan “Smash Monogamy”.  Ayers more recent statements pointing to lack of remorse and his continued support for the fundamental schools of thought that led to his formation of the Weather Underground in the first place are the primary cause for concern, in view of the Obama campaign’s statement that “the detestable acts that Ayers committed decades before occurred when Senator Obama was 8 years old”.

I was glad McCain finally quit being so nice & pointed out some of the extreme dangers of electing Obama as President.  I was also surprised that the biased media was able to report this … though they stopped short of calling McCain the ‘winner’ of the debate.  It’s kind of difficult to declare a ‘winner’ anyway, as i mentioned before, because even at this point … the last of the debates … there are still more democrats watching the debates than republicans.  Again, i have to suppose this is because more republicans have to get up and work the next morning, and Republicans tend to base more of their opinions on facts (voting records of both senators, historical evidence, solid facts, etc), while Democrats tend to focus more on emotion and dramatics (powerful fist-pounding speeches, fancy logos, hatred, violent protests, subversive propaganda) … so the venue of debate between candidates is going to stroke the pride of a democrat and not hit any of the facts needed by a republican viewer, which is probably incredibly frustrating for those more interested in facts than fire.
I really wish that, in addition to three major debates, there were also a ‘fact sheet’ requirement where a full voting record, candidate profile, and listing of political contributors and related PACs was provided to every voter family, with no commentary (to eliminate bias), and assembled by an organization barred from any political affiliation.  It seems that being able to see a candidate’s track record and affiliations would speak more for the person than some catchy slogans, annoying repetition, and (speaking of Kerry and Obama) vague speeches about veiled (or non existent?) “plans”. 

McCain puts Obama on the spot in final debate
updated 1:13 a.m. EDT, Thu October 16, 2008

(CNN) — Sen. John McCain played offense against Sen. Barack Obama during much of the final presidential debate as he challenged his rival on his policies, judgment and character.
Obama said he is the candidate who can bring “fundamental change” to the country and continued to try to link McCain to President Bush.
In one of the more forceful moments of the debate, McCain turned to Obama and said, “I am not President Bush.”
“If you want to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago. I’m going to give a new direction to this economy and this country,” the Arizona senator said.
McCain aides said they had been working on him to be more explicit in drawing a distinction between himself and Bush.
With less than three weeks before the election, it was one of several jabs McCain took at his opponent, who is leading the race in most national polls and has an 8-point lead in CNN’s average of national polls.
A CNN/Opinion Research poll of people who watched the debate found 58 percent said Obama did the best job while 31 percent said McCain did. Watch entire debate: Video Part 1 » | Video Part 2 » | Video Part 3 »
The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points, and the sample of debate-watchers in the poll were 40 percent Democratic and 30 percent Republican.
McCain touted what he called his “long record of reform” and said to Obama: “You have to tell me one time when you have stood up with the leaders of your party on one single major issue.”
Obama said he has a “history of reaching across the aisle” and pointed to his support for charter schools, pay for performance for teachers and clean coal technology.
“Sen. Obama, your argument for standing up to the leadership of your party isn’t very convincing,” McCain said.
The third and final presidential debate took place at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, and was moderated by Bob Schieffer of CBS News.
As McCain tried to put the pressure on Obama, he told the Illinois senator that voters need to “know the full extent” of his relationship with Bill Ayers, a former 1960s radical who belonged to the Weather Underground.
“Mr. Ayers is not involved in this campaign, he has never been involved in my campaign, and he will not advise me in the White House,” Obama said.
McCain’s campaign has charged that Obama’s association with Ayers should cause voters to question his judgment.
Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground, a group that was involved in bombings in the early 1970s, including attacks on the Pentagon and the Capitol.
Obama said Ayers had committed “despicable acts” 40 years ago, but pointed out that he himself had been 8 years old at the time. Video Watch what Obama says about Ayers »
Obama said Ayers has become the “centerpiece” of McCain’s campaign and said the fact that McCain keeps bringing Ayers up “says more about your campaign than it says about me.”
The Republican nominee also brought up comments made last weekend by Rep. John Lewis and pushed Obama to repudiate them.
Lewis on Saturday compared the feeling at recent GOP rallies to those of segregationist George Wallace.
“I think Congressman Lewis’ point was that we have to be careful about how we deal with our supporters,” Obama said.
“I do think that he inappropriately drew a comparison between what was happening there and what had happened during the civil rights movement, and we immediately put out a statement saying that we don’t think that comparison is
appropriate,” he said.
As the candidates butted heads over tax policy, both made frequent mention of “Joe the plumber.” Video Watch voters react when ‘Joe’ comes up »
Last weekend, while Obama was canvassing for support in Holland, Ohio, the Democratic nominee ran into a man since dubbed Joe the plumber.
In that exchange “Joe” asked Obama if he believed in the American Dream — he said he was about to buy a company that makes more than $250,000 a year and was concerned that Obama would tax him more because of it.
Obama explained his tax plan in depth, saying it’s better to lower taxes for Americans who make less money, so that they could afford to buy from his business.
At the debate Wednesday, McCain characterized Obama’s plan as trying to “spread the wealth around.”
“We’re going to take Joe’s money, give it to Sen. Obama, and let him spread the wealth around. I want Joe the plumber to spread the wealth around,” McCain said.
He added, “Why would you want to increase anybody’s taxes right now? Why would you want to do that to anyone, anyone in America, when we have such a tough time?”
Obama countered that both he and McCain want to cut taxes, but that his plan would cut taxes for “95 percent of American families,” more than McCain’s plan.
On spending, Obama promised as president he would “go through the federal budget page by page, line by line, and cut programs that don’t work,” echoing a vow his rival has made repeatedly.
McCain in turn promised an “across the board spending freeze.” He said he would balance the federal budget in four years, and went on to name specific programs including subsidies for ethanol when Schieffer pressed both candidates to identify specific budget cuts they would make.
The candidates also talked about abortion rights, a topic not addressed in the previous presidential debate. Video Watch the candidates debate abortion »
McCain refused to commit to nominating only judges who opposed abortion, saying he would “never impose a litmus test” on court nominees.
But he qualified the statement a moment later, saying he would base his nominations on “qualifications” — and that he did not believe a judge who supported Roe v. Wade, the case that legalized abortion, “would be part of those qualifications.”
McCain hammered Obama on abortion, accusing him of “aligning himself with the extreme aspect of the pro-abortion movement in America.”
Obama rejected the charge out of hand, saying: “Nobody is pro-abortion.”
He advocated sex education as a way of reducing the number of unintended pregnancies that result in abortions.
“We should try to prevent unintended pregnancies by providing appropriate education to our youth, communicating that sexuality is sacred and they should not be engaged in cavalier activity,” he said.
At the conclusion of the debate, Schieffer signed off with a line borrowed from his mother:
“Go vote now. It will make you feel big and strong.”
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